A question for the P3/P4 cast! Possible plotting ahead...

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

Okay, this question has been kicking around in my head for a while now, but I figured I'd ask for the opinion of the community at large, especially those from the P3/P4 cast.

Since P3/P4 take place in the same universe, there are bound to be a number of similarities, right? Well, as far as I know, the P3 cast can summon their Personas in the real world, but it is strongly implied that the P4 cast can only use their Personas in the TV world. By the same token, only people with the power of Persona can enter the TV world, so does that mean the P3 cast could, in theory, enter the TV world?

My main question here is this: If the P4 cast were to ever get their hands on Evokers, could they summon their Personas in the real world, too? Obviously, this would be something that would only be possible way in the future, no earlier than January, at least. Would probably require Mod approval, as well.

So, discuss.

Comments

[geek-among-men.livejournal.com]

Basically, this. Talking with Kaworu and such lately, I've been wondering how Suppressants would work within the P4 sphere of the universe. Since Personas are an extension of the ego, when you're on the medicine you're basically suppressing a necessary part of your inner mind. Would those who take them be able to enter the TV world or would it work like when Souji had to take Yosuke and Chie in during Yukiko's dungeon?

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

You know... I didn't even think about that!

I think that anyone, in theory, could be dragged into the TV world safely by a fellow Persona user, including the P3 cast, regardless of whether they are on suppressants or not. The question is... would the suppressants affect their ability to summon a Persona in the TV world or not? Personally, I don't think it would, if you go by Akihiko's reasoning. They're in the realm of the human consciousness--the Shadow world--so that should make summoning a Persona easier, right?

[geek-among-men.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, it could. Maybe the healing thing the meds do works a little better as well, but I'd also think that the side effects are little more severe. Maybe they can only spend so much time in the TV before getting severely sick or their Persona is a bit less powerful. We should convene with Fire (Asuka-mun) and Shinji on this!

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

That makes a lot of sense, actually. Having their Personas become weakened because of the meds. I mean, when you're inside the realm of the human unconscious, it would stand to reason that if you don't fully accept your Persona, it will be less powerful. Or it might try to rebel or something. I mean, P4 REALLY emphasizes the whole "accepting yourself" to "master your Shadow" and all of that.

And once the Shadow Naoto plot has wrapped up... I'm thinking of posting a idea post for a possible event/virus to take place sometime between January and March, before the events of the "True Ending" take place.

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

I have to admit I'm super-unclear on what the suppressants actually DO. Didn't the same drug actually activate a persona for the first time in Takaya and the others? And when Shinji joined the group, he certainly could still summon his persona, just that it wouldn't go crazy.

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

From what I understand, the drugs awaken the power of Persona in a potential. The only problem is, because it's being forced out, it retaliates against its host. Meaning, the host has to keep taking the drug for the rest of their life, so that their Persona won't kill them. In essence, for people like Takaya and the others, their Personas are just a hair's breadth away from returning to Shadows because they are just barely being suppressed by their host's ego.

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

Ooooh, see that actually makes sense.

But Shinji didn't awaken his persona with the drug, his own persona was just so wild naturally that he needed to start taking the drugs to control it. Amirite?

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

I thought Shinji was one of the original kids in that group that had to take the drug? There was four in all... right? The ones that actually survived the initial experiment out of the original 100. Takaya, Jin, Chidori, and Shinji.

Goddammit, I need to go back and check the P3 game script for this... It's been awhile since I played P3, after all...

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

dot dot dot... if so I MISSED that. Completely. I thought he was just at the orphanage with Aki and got recruited by Mitsuru around the same time because he had potential and went to the same school.

I'll definitely ask PD about this when she gets home from work o.o because that's major.

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

IIRC, Ikutski said something to the effect that "all the children they tested the drug on were orphans, no one people would miss" and that "out of 100 children, only 4 survived the initial experimental stages". BUT I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

There is a complete game script on GameFAQs.com, if you need it. I think I have it bookmarked somewhere...

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

I have it bookmarked, too. BUT I AM LAZY. IT'S AMAZING, THE DEPTHS OF MY LAZINESS.

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

OKAY I FOUND IT!

I was wrong. Looks like there were only three kids, as Jin explains...

But, when that power doesn't emerge naturally, it's difficult to control.
So the kids had to take experimental medication so their powers wouldn't
kill them. Only three kids out of the original hundred survived, and after
6 months, the experiment was canceled.

Huh. So now I need to find out why Shinji needed to take the drug then.

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

oooh, OK.

I'm thinking it must be because of Shinji's personality, though. He's naturally volatile, and of course when he made that mistake and killed Ken's mother, he became paranoid and afraid to let it out again without some kind of control. He might have learned to control it just fine if he hadn't had an accident like that.

[truthinfortune.livejournal.com]

You know, after reading through that part in the game script again, I think you're right. That would explain why Akihiko was so mad at him and was all like, "Why didn't you come to me first?" because he probably could have trained Shinji to control his Persona without the use of drugs.

[tyki-tock.livejournal.com]

Yus! That's kinda what I was thinking. *whew*